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As the rich consume more and more, they are clearly not going to want to downgrade their own status.

I was recently looking at what they can actually do to reduce consumption of petrol. It would be quite possible to build automobiles out of carbon fibre that would be just as strong, weigh 10 times less and consume 10 times less petrol.

Susan George

Automobiles

I used to work a lot on food issues and every time somebody predicted that production would be inadequate they got egg on their face a year or two later.

I think the market is always going to be around. The goal is not to say, let's get rid of the market, because the market does render a huge number of services, and I don't want to have a fight about the price of something every time I buy a book or a bottle of water.

How do we get democracy at the international level? That's our problem. and it's essentially the same problem people faced in the 18th Century when they tried to get democracy nationally. Now we need it internationally.

Having enough to eat, being able to educate your children, have reasonably stable employment, and being able to live in a society which isn't collapsing around you-all of these things have been generally eroded.

Everything has to be done to build some sort of international democracy. We've seen only the tiniest beginnings of that.

Susan George

Beginnings

Democracy

I'm a radical reformist, because between where we are and where I want to go there's a great deal of work, and I won't see the end of this.

Cost recovery is the polite way of saying, make families pay to educate their children.

Susan George

Children

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The real fight is about what should be in the marketplace and what should not. Should education be a marketable commodity? Should healthcare?

Debt is such a powerful tool, it is such a useful tool, it's much better than colonialism ever was because you can keep control without having an army, without having a whole administration.

The natural capital is not income, but we spend our natural capital as if it were revenue, as if it were going to come back next year without any problems, whereas these renewals in nature can take hundreds of years.

The Sierra Club in the United States has now really come out for population control and reduction.