But I was in awe of the painters; I mean I was new in New York, and I thought the painting that was going on here was just unbelievable.
I don't think any one person, whether artist or not, has been given permission by anyone to put the responsibility of the way things are on anyone else.
I did a twenty foot print and John Cage is involved in that because he was the only person I knew in New York who had a car and who would be willing to do this.
I got so I was really just sick of sculpture.
I always have a good reason for taking something out but I never have one for putting something in. And I don't want to, because that means that the picture is being painted predigested.
Every time I've moved, my work has changed radically.
But I found a lot of artists at the Cedar Bar were difficult for me to talk to.
And I think that even today, New York still has more of this unexpected quality around every corner than any place else. It's something quite extraordinary.
And I think a painting has such a limited life anyway.
And all of this, all these physical aspects of painting at that time excited me very much. You could do a picture in just black and white. I mean all the things, whether you're soliciting permission or not, do give you permission.
A newspaper that you're not reading can be used for anything; and the same people didn't think it was immoral to wrap their garbage in newspaper.
I think a painting is more like the real world if it's made out the real world.
The artist's job is to be a witness to his time in history.
And also the new excitement and variety of ways that the abstract expressionists were applying paint. You could put it on as though it were colored air and it would be painting.
So that ideas of sort of relaxed symmetry have been something for years that I have been concerned with because I think that symmetry is a neutral shape as opposed to a form of design.